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You’re gonna do what you’re gonna do. Your complaints were way overblown then and they are now IMO, but you’re entitled to your sentiments.

We gonna have disagreements and debates. It’s a politics thread. Folks have strong sentiments and investments in these issues, me no less than anyone else. Cool, let’s hash it out. We may not come to consensus, but the dialogue is engaging and enlightening. I’m all for it.

I don’t think I’ve been in here for like a year :lol: You stay arguing with dudes in here day in and day out, week in and week out, year in and year out. But when it comes to me it’s just too much to deal with? I guess everyone else just stops with you after a couple responses? It’s all good...

Bruh if you’re saying “yeah, maybe a little bit, but not really,” how is it a mischaracterization, bad faith, straw man to say you’re disagreeing?! We disagree. Cool. But you invoking all this stuff about bad faith, straw man, entitlement, etc. That’s a bunch of nonsense.

Fam. In all seriousness. Look at the other parts of the quotes that you just included in this very post. My goodness :lol: That last sentence is bad faith and alternative reality fasho.

I literally asked a few posts ago… “How can one look at this history and conclude that it's just racism, cultural issues, etc.? Doesn't all of this seem like an important context in which those issues emerge as alternatives to class-based politics that the Democratic Party increasingly...

A dismissive comment about school board meetings is responded to in kind…

Bruh, if you say whatever happened historically didn’t matter and whatever might have happened as an alternate history also wouldn’t have mattered—the white people I think are racists because they vote for the GOP would still be racists and vote for the GOP… I’m not sure how else to characterize...

You step into a courtroom in Washington, DC. The defendants cycling through the room are black. The district attorney and public defenders are black. The judge is black. The police chief and police officers coming in and out of the courtroom throughout the day are black. The mayor is black, as...

The Barack Obama Presidential Center is being built in a poor black community on the South Side of Chicago. The project has already caused dramatic increases in rents throughout the area and the displacement of low-income black residents. Obama and his foundation have refused to sign an...

Long story short: There’s still hope for you, comrade!

“White identity politics are reactionary, ahistorical, and poisonous. What we really need is BIPOC identity politics to counter this!” :lol:

“Like always, you respond to what you think I meant instead of my actual point” I guess it cuts both ways :lol:

You and others can talk about and treat people from "different races" as though they live in completely separate worlds and have mutually exclusive experiences and interests if you want. But if you care about progressive politics, even if only to the extent that it would benefit poor and...

So I run through a series of major political developments bearing directly on labor unions, loss of income, power, and stability for workers, abandonment by the Democratic Party, etc. and the response is "Nah, it's just the racism." That's fine that that's your perspective, I suppose. But...

You think that as a party, the Democrats have made the choice to be a party for working people and for social democracy? Clearly I'm encouraged by much of their movement over the last half decade or so and by Biden and many other generally centrists promoting recent legislation, but I certainly...

Your message that history and context don't matter and that all these white folks are just committed to racism regardless of anything else seems to be saying exactly that. Am I off-base? "Many black people have adapted to evolving social and economic realities and have achieved great success...

The Democratic Party is going to have to decide if it's going to be a party for working people, and not for capital; a party for social democracy, and not for neoliberalism.

The implied assumption here is that people's racial views, their understanding of their economic and political interests, and whatever else are static and unaffected by changes in the world around them and in their actual lives. I completely disagree with that. How do you think one combats...

Over the last half century, the Democratic Party undermined its own capacity to win elections by increasingly promoting the interests of capital at the expense of workers and allowing unions to crumble—and, often enough, helping to undermine them directly and indirectly. This goes back in some...