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    Nike Zoom Vaporfly Elite 2017

    The white/grapes are live today too, all sizes available right now: https://www.nike.com/t/alphafly-3-mens-road-racing-shoes-5gZBgL/FD8311-100
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    "OTHER BRAND" - RUNNING shoe thread - asics, saucony, new balance, hoka one one, adidas, reebok, brooks, altra, skechers, etc...

    They are ridiculously soft, maybe one of the softest shoes I've felt. The plate gives them some structure though and helps keep them rolling along. Steady/easy paces feel incredible in them. I tried tempo but it seemed to like moderate paces better.
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    "OTHER BRAND" - RUNNING shoe thread - asics, saucony, new balance, hoka one one, adidas, reebok, brooks, altra, skechers, etc...

    Neo Vista is pretty sweet y’all. The most buttery smooth super trainer I’ve felt. Definitely more in the cruiser realm but they’re onto something with these.
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    "OTHER BRAND" - RUNNING shoe thread - asics, saucony, new balance, hoka one one, adidas, reebok, brooks, altra, skechers, etc...

    One of the reasons when I eventually scoop up the Rebel v4 when my Mach 6's die, I am NOT getting the same colorway as my SC Elites :lol:
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    "OTHER BRAND" - RUNNING shoe thread - asics, saucony, new balance, hoka one one, adidas, reebok, brooks, altra, skechers, etc...

    I really don’t like heavy shoes, even for easy running. The Skyward, with it being over 11 ounces in a US M9, will be an absolute brick in my M12…so it’s out based on that alone.
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    "OTHER BRAND" - RUNNING shoe thread - asics, saucony, new balance, hoka one one, adidas, reebok, brooks, altra, skechers, etc...

    Rep said they're keeping it at $200 but not to quote him on that, so hopefully no increase.
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    "OTHER BRAND" - RUNNING shoe thread - asics, saucony, new balance, hoka one one, adidas, reebok, brooks, altra, skechers, etc...

    Saw them in person this weekend at the Cherry Blossom 10 miler expo at the Asics booth that Believe in the Run was photographing from, they definitely still have that thick stack. Asics rep at the booth said they're still an illegal stack (45mm) and as speculated, the switch to FF Turbo+ from FF...
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    "OTHER BRAND" - RUNNING shoe thread - asics, saucony, new balance, hoka one one, adidas, reebok, brooks, altra, skechers, etc...

    I'm at a loss for why I'd pick it up over the Superblast...Feel like On missed the mark here. An ounce heavier, PEBA only in the forefoot, plus more expensive? They do know competition exists right?:lol:
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    "OTHER BRAND" - RUNNING shoe thread - asics, saucony, new balance, hoka one one, adidas, reebok, brooks, altra, skechers, etc...

    For fast running, I think the Rebellion Pro has it. 2 ounces lighter and they just feel fast. I’ll get a more detailed impression after I race in 9 days, I’m a bit scared of them now😂 For everything else, Cielo.
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    "OTHER BRAND" - RUNNING shoe thread - asics, saucony, new balance, hoka one one, adidas, reebok, brooks, altra, skechers, etc...

    They're pretty nuts! Definitely not walking shoes, nor any running that isn't midfoot striking on forwards. I'm a pretty seasoned runner and I'm shocked by how aggressive they are.
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    "OTHER BRAND" - RUNNING shoe thread - asics, saucony, new balance, hoka one one, adidas, reebok, brooks, altra, skechers, etc...

    It looks like the Rebellion Pro 1 is $200 and the Rebellion Pro 2 is $140. The trainer version of this (Rebellion Flash 2) is also more expensive which is why I think it's a mistake :lol:
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    "OTHER BRAND" - RUNNING shoe thread - asics, saucony, new balance, hoka one one, adidas, reebok, brooks, altra, skechers, etc...

    Not sure but I just carted them and checked out! May as well take advantage of it. :D
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    "OTHER BRAND" - RUNNING shoe thread - asics, saucony, new balance, hoka one one, adidas, reebok, brooks, altra, skechers, etc...

    It's $250 MSRP...almost feels like a pricing mistake on Zappos as these only dropped a couple months ago
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    "OTHER BRAND" - RUNNING shoe thread - asics, saucony, new balance, hoka one one, adidas, reebok, brooks, altra, skechers, etc...

    Wave Rebellion Pro 2's for $140 at Zappos! (Plus 15% Rakuten!) Might want to try this as the geometry looks totally wild, just don't heel strike in them :rofl: https://www.zappos.com/p/mizuno-wave-rebellion-pro-2-white-harbor-mist/product/9948934/color/947406
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    "OTHER BRAND" - RUNNING shoe thread - asics, saucony, new balance, hoka one one, adidas, reebok, brooks, altra, skechers, etc...

    Yeah, my calves are actually alright which is funny given the weird feeling where the toes are higher than the heel. But it feels like someone took a baseball bat to my midfoot, it's almost bruised a couple days later.:lol: I have other super shoes that are similarly fast that don't do this to...
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    "OTHER BRAND" - RUNNING shoe thread - asics, saucony, new balance, hoka one one, adidas, reebok, brooks, altra, skechers, etc...

    Ran a 10 miler in the new Metaspeed Sky Paris and while it's super fast for me, something that Asics does in their racing shoes really doesn't work for me from a geometry standpoint. The toes almost feel higher than the heel and they feel like negative drop to me, my feet are absolutely trashed...
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    "OTHER BRAND" - RUNNING shoe thread - asics, saucony, new balance, hoka one one, adidas, reebok, brooks, altra, skechers, etc...

    Will be curious about how Turbo+ feels in the Superblast 2. One of the draws to the Superblast 1 was its relative stability for such a tall shoe. Turbo+ being a bit softer will likely cause some challenges on that front but being even more forgiving of a foam and returning more energy are all...
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    "OTHER BRAND" - RUNNING shoe thread - asics, saucony, new balance, hoka one one, adidas, reebok, brooks, altra, skechers, etc...

    Cielo is the closest thing to the Prime X I’ve experienced. It’s still a touch wobbly just due to the insane stack height with such a soft foam but the stability is far better than the Prime X. It makes paces feel so easy though and long runs feel like nothing in it. Really saves the legs. I...
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    "OTHER BRAND" - RUNNING shoe thread - asics, saucony, new balance, hoka one one, adidas, reebok, brooks, altra, skechers, etc...

    Thanks for your thoughts, and speedy recovery on the achilles pain! I think I'm the same way with the Mach in that it's also a lightweight daily but nothing crazy or revolutionary. I do get the sense that the Mach handles speed better than the Rebel, the firmer midsole and rocker kinda nudge you...
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    "OTHER BRAND" - RUNNING shoe thread - asics, saucony, new balance, hoka one one, adidas, reebok, brooks, altra, skechers, etc...

    I haven't but I feel like the shoes are very similar in function/purpose. Both lightweight trainers with bouncy midsoles. I'm also not sure the Hoka has that much more stack height? I saw differences in how Hoka/NB measure stack. I can say the Mach didn't feel like a high stack shoe and felt...
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